Paradox Project Podcast

The official podcast for the Paradox Project

Kyle Foley dropped by this week to talk about worship music, video games and millennials. Is video game culture really stopping this generation from getting jobs? 

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Matthias: Worship music has crushed out actual church music. Old hymns set to new tunes are fine, but stop replacing them with wishy-washy emotional songs that have no theology.

Jordan: The “relationship contract” explained in a New York Times column isn’t a bad idea. It’s better to err on the side of over-explaining your relationship than to just wing it and not be on the same page.

Kyle: I hate Chipotle.

How many video games is too many?

Are millennial men really staying home and playing video games instead of getting jobs? Kyle, Jordan and Matthias talk about whether or not they’ve noticed this trend anecdotally and analyze how much video game time is too much. An avid gamer, Kyle mostly likes “social gaming,” video games that you’re playing with friends rather than on your own. Jordan compares video games to Netflix or another entertainment medium – it’s important to find balance and not invest too much of your time into it.

To fire or not to fire …

We wrap up with a debate about whether or not it’s damaging to society for people to be fired for participating in protests and having infuriating and offensive opinions.


Claire Swinarski, writer and founder of The Catholic Feminist Podcast, dropped by this week to talk about better ways that people of faith can critique media and exactly what that whole “feminism” thing is about.

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Matthias: I’m *not* commenting on the Google diversity memo yet. So my terrible opinion this week is that Catholics need to stop making snarky comments on Martin Luther.

Claire: I like the Star Wars prequels … and I know I have no movie credibility now.

Jordan: People should never watch documentaries because they are (probably) all lying to us.

The Catholic feminist

Claire started her podcast project because she had been waiting for something like it for a long time and got frustrated at how little people seemed to understand what her faith actually teaches about women. “Catholics don’t know what the Catholic Church teaches about women,” she says.

She shares a simple, straightforward definition of what she means when she says “feminism.” Feminism = “women have dignity and worth that is equal to men.”  

Why we don’t watch ‘Game of Thrones’ – but don’t care if you do

We talk about pop culture and whether faith should influence your perspective on what movies and TV shows you watch. As the only person on deck who's seen it, Matthias explains the darkness of TV’s “Game of Thrones.” Even though she doesn’t watch the show, Jordan has a rant about someone who wrote a piece completely condemning “Game of Thrones” as unadulterated pornography. How can we approach media in a more nuanced way? Jordan shares her conspiracy theory that most pop culture is secretly conservative. 


Matthew Hockman, known on Twitter as @matthops82, joins us to talk about TV shows and what life outside of Twitter is like—as well as what Twitter looks like now to a normal person.

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Matthew: BBC’s “The Last Kingdom,” a series about Saxons vs. Vikings, is better than “Game of Thrones.”

Jordan: I disagree with everyone saying the piece on Medium about modern dating is something eye-opening. People are always discontent in their own time and will imagine that some earlier era would have been perfect for them.

Matthias: I’m willing to hear about the context for the word “jihad” as used in Linda Sarsour’s recent speech, but I don’t see any explanation or definition from people that actually fits what she said and doesn’t mean “jihad against the administration.”

When is it OK to stop watching that TV show you loved?

Inspired by an episode of NPR’s “Pop Culture Happy Hour” podcast, we debate if and when it’s acceptable to abandon a TV series after you’ve invested time into it. Matthias admits that he’s at a crossroads with whether or not to continue “Game of Thrones,” and Matthew vents about “The Walking Dead.” As her example, Jordan talks about “Crazy Ex-Girlfriend” and why she enjoyed the first season but bailed on the second season when it completely lost direction.

We talk about TV character deaths and why they need to be thoughtfully written and integral to the plot (see “Breaking Bad” and “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”) instead of seeming as if the writers just got bored and/or were planning to kill off everyone randomly anyway (“The Walking Dead,” “Game of Thrones”).

I broke free of Twitter: AMA

Matthew has been mostly distant from Twitter since his son was born, appearing here and there to update the timeline with adorable pictures. “I’m trying to bring joy to Twitter because it’s so angry,” he says, wondering what happened to the smart, rational people who used to make it a great place. He and Matthias reminisce about when Twitter was mostly jokes, fun and humor instead of constant political outrage and fights. Matthew notes that people on both sides of the aisle are ready to die on any hill as long as it makes the other team angry.

What we’re watching

We wrap up with some of the movies and TV shows we’ve been watching lately. Matthew has a glowing review of “Billions,” which stars Damian Lewis, and has also been watching “Impractical Jokers” when he needs some comic relief, while Jordan is ready for “This Is Us” to return in the fall.


Grant Gambling, writer and keen observer of foreign policy, joined Matthias and Jordan this week to talk about Israel, standup comedy, the millennial who is taking on the Middle East and the general “tomfoolery” of our times.

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Jordan: I don’t blame Trump personally for the White House not acknowledging Pride Month (as observed in June). I don’t think he has anything against gay people—I blame the administration around him for pandering to their baby boomer/evangelical Christian base by ignoring it.

Matthias: Andy Serkis is one of the greatest actors of a generation, but he gets overlooked because people don’t realize how much skill goes into being the actor behind a CGI character like Gollum in “Lord of the Rings.”

Grant: Jon Stewart was criticized by the left and ignored by the right for “Rosewater,” but it was a good film.

“What we’re told is very simplistic …”

Grant walks us through some of the situation in the Middle East as Israel tries to lay low while in the middle of rising tensions. He explains why Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and the White House adviser tasked with “fixing” Iraq, is the first millennial to be at the crux of foreign policy.

Americans generally don’t get an accurate, unfiltered view of foreign policy since news stories become so politicized. Under the Obama administration, the media added explanations and excuses, while the Trump era is characterized by antagonism.

Comedy in the era of political correctness

Speaking of the politicization of everything, we talk about standup comedy and why comedians are (mostly) getting away with pointing out political correctness and lampooning it in a constructive way. We debate the implications of Patton Oswalt’s “listen to their heart” monologue and remind people that it’s important to listen to others’ words in context and try to understand where they’re coming from – regardless of what “team” they’re on.


Mary Katharine Ham drops by to chat about political tribes, Disney princesses and more on this week’s episode of the Paradox Podcast. She explains why Twitter isn’t the best way to share your political views and what she thinks of people who line up out the door for cupcakes.

Terrible Opinions

Mary Katharine shares three terrible opinions for good measure.

MK: 1) I want to heckle people who line up for cupcakes as if it’s a rock concert when cupcakes aren’t actually good. 2) I like cicadas because they signify summer to me. 3) I’m a big fan of Cleatus the FOX Sports robot.

Jordan: It’s OK to mute people on Twitter to filter your timeline as long as you still see tweets from people from both “sides.”

Matthias: We need a Twitter option that alerts you when accounts you follow go silent for a long time.

Tribal politics

Matthias opens up the discussion about political tribes by talking about his own experience trying to live in two different worlds when it comes to ideology. He points out that the gap isn’t between social and fiscal conservatives but between people on the right who believe in a particular ideology and people who are simply partisan.

Mary Katharine talks about what needs to happen for people of all political ideologies to be able to talk to each other. Political rhetoric has only become angrier after the shooting in Virginia last week where a gunman seemed to be specifically targeting GOP lawmakers. Can we do better?

We talk about why the left needs to welcome liberal evangelicals instead of alienating people of faith by being illiterate when it comes to religion. Jordan mentions the case of the Obama White House staffer who used the biblical reference “the least of these” and was asked over and over if it was a typo.

‘How Far I’ll Go’

Time for the important topic: Disney princess movies. Mary Katharine details her theory that “Frozen” is Disney’s version of “The Shining.” Desolate winter landscape? Check. Volatile main character who is a risk to family members? Double check. We talk about how dark “Frozen” and its Oscar-winning song “Let It Go” actually are.

Mary Katharine talks about why “The Princess and the Frog” is her new favorite Disney movie and also explores the history of the classic “Sleeping Beauty.”


Adoption advocate, mom and blogger Sarah Stevenson joins us this week to talk about a calling to adoption, her experience bringing her son home from China and the best way to support families who are adopting. 

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Sarah: Even though I live in Texas, I can’t deal with modern country music.

Jordan: Kathy Griffin should not have lost jobs over the shocking Trump photo.

Matthias: I enjoy going to crawfish boils because it’s a fun ritual, but I don’t think I actually like crawfish.

Sometimes you just know

Sarah shares the amazing story of how she and her husband felt called to be adoptive parents and went to China to meet orphans in need of a home. One 6-year-old boy claimed her during their time there, and the rest was history. “By the end of the week, I knew this was my kid,” Sarah remembers.

Sarah discusses the importance of community and the people in her life who helped her through the adoption process. She also talks about the best ways to discuss adoption with families and brings a Christian perspective to the question of whether or not to adopt.

Yes, religion is about exclusion – all religions

We talk about Sen. Bernie Sanders’ attack on Trump administration nominee Russell Vought. Sanders took a quote from an article Vought wrote in January 2016 out of context and attempted to cast the nominee deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget as a bigot. We clarify the quote from Vought’s article and look at some ways that liberals are trying to edge Christians out of public life.

Find Sarah at her blog: Love Hope & Adopt


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Matthias: I thought Lin-Manuel Miranda was rude when I first heard the story about he talked to Vice President Mike Pence from the stage when Pence saw “Hamilton.” But now that I’ve enjoyed his musical work and looked at his remarks in context, I’m more inclined to be OK with what he said.

Dina: I hate Disney because I had terrible experiences at Disney World and also Mickey Mouse is creepy.

Jordan: I understand what Rachel Bloom was attempting to do with her performance on Bill Nye’s new show (even though she obviously failed).

Bill Nye’s handmaid world

The big news this week was the GOP’s healthcare bill, a swap for Obamacare that hasn’t made anyone happy. Matthias talked about some of the reactions to the healthcare bill, including the vitriol directed at people like Mary Katherine Ham who are trying to be reasonable.


One of the accusations against the GOP is that they are trying to take healthcare from women in particular and that they are targeting pregnant moms. We touched on a comment in TV host Bill Nye’s new Netflix show that showed how progressives target moms and children. The former “Science Guy” suggested that the government start taxing larger families with “extra kids” because they are supposedly bad for the environment.

“The Handmaid’s Tale” has been a rallying cry for a lot of liberal feminists who think Republicans are on the verge of outlawing abortion and cutting off access to birth control (Spoiler: They’re not). Dina analyzed the bigger picture, looking at the dystopian story as a reflection of our world today because 2016 was a dark year and 2017 hasn't been much better. As world powers shift abroad and changes like the new healthcare bill disrupt their lives here, people feel less safe than ever. Jordan noted that recent TV has become increasingly dark and emotionally dense, whether it's "The Handmaid's Tale," "13 Reasons Why" or even the surprise hit "This Is Us," which told the story of a real, relateable family that was funny and enjoyable but still included themes of heartbreak, tragedy and loss. 


Katrina Jørgensen stopped by for what turned out to be a millennial-centric podcast episode this week, joining the Paradox team to share her experiences seeing Sen. Lindsey Graham navigate a South Carolina town hall. 

Terrible Opinions

Jordan: Conservatives really need to stop jumping on every Chelsea Clinton story. Yes, liberal media cover her, but progressive voters honestly don't care. 

Matthias: Android's cutesy confectionary-themed operating system names are annoying and uninformative. 

Katrina: I liked "Ghost in the Shell." 

At least one politician is listening ... 

Katrina talks about a town hall in South Carolina that she attended shortly after the GOP healthcare bill failed. Sen. Lindsey Graham talked about Supreme Court nominee Judge Gorsuch and worked hard to manage a screaming crowd that seemed primarily made up of Bernie voters. He pointed out that he got into trouble with Republicans for supporting President Obama's Supreme Court nominees, but he is always going to support qualified justices. 

Sen. Graham addressed millennials specifically, something that is unusual among politicians. One of the problems he mentioned was the shakiness of social security as well as the late retirement age expected for millennials. 

Old school management vs. millennials

We then launch into a discussion of millennial issues, most of which stem from a poor economy. Millennials have a reputation for being disloyal to the workplace, but often it's because jobs won't pay enough for them to take care of student debt or have basic things their parents had. Katrina talks about average income for millennials, which doesn't even guarantee them a middle-class life in the suburbs. 

We talk about student debt and the struggle of college graduates who were told that they just needed to get an education and a good job and comfortable life would be guaranteed. Jordan sympathizes with those who want free college (while disagreeing that free college should become policy) because a common millennial problem is graduating with a college degree and then struggling to find a job that pays well. Matthias talks about some of the difficulties of navigating the job market when employers have so much power to pick and choose among millennials who desperately need work. 


Kemberlee Kaye, Legal Insurrection editor and baker extraordinaire, joined us this week to talk about the GOP healthcare bill disaster, analyze why Republicans failed to reach everyday Americans, and answer the all-important frosting vs. fondant question. 

Terrible Opinions

Matthias: I shut down my political Twitter account this week, and I'm so much happier with far less politics in my life. 

Jordan: People need to stop abusing the word "humbled" when what they really mean is "my life is awesome and I needed to tell all of you." 

Kemberlee: Conservatives shouldn't mock Huma Abedin; instead, they should be supportive when couples are dedicated enough to try to make their marriage work. 

The lose-lose healthcare bill scenario

Matthias points out that the failure of the GOP healthcare bill is bad in the long term for Democrats since the Affordable Care Act likely won't survive without extra government intervention on its behalf. Kemberlee analyzes why the bill failed, noting that even though the bill was theoretically Part I of a three-part initiative, most people had no idea there was more to the plan because the GOP failed to communicate yet again. We all sympathize with Speaker Paul Ryan, who seems to be trying to find a compromise solution in a thankless task. 

You should have a real life

The Paradox team has been encouraging more discussion about fun interests far outside the realm of politics. Matthias and Kemberlee talk about their experiences with baking and what inspired each of them to learn. There is a lot of important discussion about buttercream frosting. 


Shoshana Weissmann was our guest this week to talk about how much she loves tofu, why the GOP fails to reach urban voters, and what keeps her going when politics is just too much. 

Terrible Opinions

Shoshana: I actually really love tofu even though no one else does. 

Jordan: I was offended by the meme that took the Nike logo on a picture of a woman wearing a hijab and added "if my husband says I can" because 1) you can't group all Muslim women into one stereotype and 2) some women (of a range of religions) decide to dress according to what their husband says. You shouldn't demean them for that decision. 

Matthias: The walk sign where the pedestrian figure was wearing a dress not only wasn't really feminist but also promoted a dangerous gender stereotype that wearing a dress makes you a woman. 

"We have to start showing up." 

Shoshana talks about the GOP's problem with reaching urban voters and why in the long term, it's not enough to reach only rural Americans. "Don't campaign in cities ... you can't win," she was told. Shoshana analyzes some of the reasons why Republicans appeal less to city voters and encourages people on the right to reach out to urban communities and spend time actually talking to voters and finding out what issues matter to them. 

Sewing and baking 

We talk about interests outside politics, including but not limited to: sewing, baking, tattoos, hair coloring, dresses, buttercream frosting. 


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